Idea of the sense of the time

Bohm: We say that thought - this is the answer to memory. And... it cannot be unstipulated and free.
Krishnamurti: ... as does occur illumination? If this is not the process of thought, then is how the quality of mind or the quality of observation, in which the thought cannot penetrate?
Krishnamurti: Truth before us when there is understanding the fact that that observing is that observed. In this realization, which it is true, conditionality disappears... What does be required in order to destroy its structure?

Bohm: The illumination, which will make it possible to see its falsity.
Krishnamurti: How you to me this will explain? I want to understand, 4 passionately the thirst to be selected from the sphere of its conditionality.
Bohm: Only, which is possible to transmit, this is intensity.
Krishnamurti: Thus, you me tell: "your mind must be unoccupied". It must not be occupied with real.
Bohm: Word "leisure" (unoccupied) indicates at its basis "empty" (empty). The English root of word "empty" indicates free, unoccupied.

Krishnamurti: How this can be made?
Bohm: Mind simply in private with itself itself, it is calm.
Krishnamurti: This that, I want to approach what.
Bohm: When mind searches for nothing.
Krishnamurti: This means that the god in the man, and god can act only if the brain is calm, when it not in the captivity of time.
Bohm: It is correct. At this moment it leaves from the time. I think, to me this is understandable - the brain only then in the authority of the time, when time propose to it we themselves. The thought, which includes time - in the authority of time. But everything, sufficiently rapid, time not is subject.

Krishnamurti: Yes. Could you say that the knowledge is time?
Bohm: Yes, certainly...
Krishnamurti: Any knowledge is time.
Bohm: Yes, I understand, that this entire the sum of knowledge is "4", there is time.
Krishnamurti: But which is life without this sum of knowledge? There does not exist time, there is no knowledge in the psychological sense, there is no sensation "me", and that then there is? After arriving at this state, many people would say: "what horror!

Bohm: Yes, because it seems that this would be nonexistence, nothing.
Krishnamurti: Nothing. But if we arrive at this state - that then? You could say: specifically, because this - nothing, this - everything?
Bohm: Yes, I is ready with this to agree. 4 this I know. This is true. Nothing contains everything.
Krishnamurti: This - not meditation, this - nothing (noth- ING).
Bohm: Not thing (no thing).
Krishnamurti: Not thing, it is correct.

Bohm: The thing of ogranichenna, and this - not thing, because there does not exist limits... In any case, this potentially contains everything.
Krishnamurti: It is not differed from energy. But being located inside, it speaks: "4 completely different, than that".
Bohm: "4" guard themselves and speak: "4 - other, 4 - eternal".
Krishnamurti: It is not obtained then, that there is only an organism as the part of the energy? There is generally "4", with exception of passport, name and no forms; in other words - nothing. And, therefore, there is everything...

Bohm: Yes, form does not have independent existence.
Krishnamurti: Vice versa. There is only a form. And this - everything.

( Д.И.) At each "point" of the potential of this exterior form there is an individual face of our form...

Krishnamurti: You do understand, sir, that we did say? Not end whether this of journey?
Bohm: No, 4 so I do not consider.
Krishnamurti: Must whether there was humanity travel way into thousands years, in order at this to arrive? To the fact that 4 - nothing and, therefore, 4 - all, entire energy?
Bohm: This cannot be end in the sense that this could be beginning.

Krishnamurti: You will wait. I would want so that you from this would begin. End is a beginning - it is correct? And here I want to stop. You do see, at the end of entire this that we for the brevity will name the end of time - there is a new beginning. Thus? Otherwise this would be extremely unimportant. 4 entire - energy, and is also simple shell and time, which ceases. This appears so unimportantly.
Bohm: Yes, if we here will pause.
Krishnamurti: Here and everything.

Krishnamurti: Unconditionally. Thus, end is a beginning. But which this does indicate? This means that the beginning assumes also time.
Bohm: It is not compulsory. As we said, this could be motion out of the time.
Krishnamurti: Here and everything. I want to make this intelligible.
Bohm: Yes, but this is difficult to express. These are static existence, in some sense this motion, which does not belong to the order of time. I think, we must now so this say.

Krishnamurti: Yes. Thus, we will use word "beginning", but let us deprive of his time.
Bohm: Because end and beginning do not assume the specific time. Actually they can have any duration or occur out of the time.
Krishnamurti: Out of the time. And which then does occur? What does occur? Not with me, not with my brain. What does occur? We said that when they reject time, there is nothing. As a result of this long conversation nothing indicates everything. But everything - this is energy. And we here stopped. But this - not end.
Bohm: No.

Krishnamurti: This is not end. However, what this then? Creation?
Bohm: Yes, it is similar to that.
Krishnamurti: But creation - not in the sense of the possession of feather or of brush.
Bohm: Usually the fact that people learn about the material, does not for some reason render on them deep, psychological action.
Krishnamurti: Yes, this, of course, thus.
Bohm: It would be possible to think that if they see integrity, accordion of universe, then they will want to act otherwise; but this it does not occur.

Krishnamurti: Thus, let us return back to the earth; why man did make this?
Bohm: It did make that?
Krishnamurti: It accumulated knowledge. 4 I do not indicate the need to have actual knowledge in the specific regions, but why it so for long does bear this burden of knowledge?
Bohm: Because with the aid of the knowledge of men it is attempted in some sense to create durable basis. Knowledge attempts to create basis. This precisely and occurs.
Krishnamurti: What this does indicate?

Bohm: This again indicates illusion... but you they said before this that the mind is a fundamentals. This something unknown.
Krishnamurti: Mind? Yes. But not this mind. When 4, everything ispytav, it arrived at the consciousness, that it must with all this finish, this is already new mind.
Bohm: It is understandable, mind - this is its content, and the content is knowledge. Without the knowledge - this is new mind.

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